sauceman

Here's a new dyno from 04Carbon6

Current power mods: Injen Intake and DC Sports Ceramic coated Header

JTso

iTrader: (2)

Here's mine with K&N intake and DC header.

Stokeless_TSX

i still have more muhahahaha

iamhomin

Any dyno's after and before the SRI installation?

JTso

iTrader: (2)

K&N CAI, DC header, Hondata gasket and TB bypass mod

xizor

looks like someone had fun today, looks like you're getting ~216 to the crank.

Stokeless_TSX

nice....i need to do those mods...buty im lazy right now and its cold out so yea hahaha. If I do do them Im gonna have to be really motivated. Im really debating on doing a turbo on my car custom or just waiting...I am pickin up a hatch and droppin my GSR turbo motor in there...we will see what i do here soon haha

RMATIC09

Do the headers make that much of a diff, what HP "at the crank" come out with a CAI and Catback exhaust?

sauceman

K24A2 swapped in an RSX running with a K-Pro:

PixelHarmony

Wow, impressive! Given our results should be around there, do you know if they had I/H/E ?

sauceman

Check out the guy's comments I quoted here, post #9: https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17469

TinkySD

For fun I input this dyno into cartest and ran a simulation.

Stock it gives a time of an optimum 0-60 of 6.9 seconds and 1/4 in 15.3. Interestingly it says you'll get better times by dumping the clutch at 1800 as opposed to slipping it at 3000 rpms like most people who have gone to the track do. I have a feeling in the simulation it has slightly better traction than stock.(which is tweakable just haven't gotten around to it yet)

Hondata + I/H/E 0-60 5.43 seconds, 1/4 at 14.1 @99mph.

Stokeless_TSX

Tinky can you put my inputs into this simulator and see what it comes out to? My dyno sheet it posted here somewhere in the thread.

TinkySD

I'll try and have it up this afternoon...boss is out the door at 2 today = pwing

sauceman

I'll Try it next time at the tracks.

Stokeless_TSX

Tinky did you get a chance to run that yet?

Ekblom

Euro Accord 2.4 VS Acura TSX
What i've heard it that TSX and the Euro Accord is having the same power HP but the way we calculate hp is different (SAE Hp and DIN Hp) and that this would explain the 10 HP differance.

Isn't this a possibility?

vwong

Finally, I had my TSX dyno'd tonight. I went to the same place where Hondata had their car dyno'd at.........at Church Automotive Testing. Therefore, the dyno is of the Dynapack (not a Dynojet). I forgot to get a print out from Shawn Church, but I did get the data from his computer. I plotted the data in Excel and generated the graph. Unfortunately, my site is down now so I can't upload it. I'll upload it and post it here whenever my site is back up. For now, I'll just say that my TSX's max power is 185.9 hp and max torque is 158.2 ft-lbs. My TSX is totally stock (engine wise).

TinkySD

Hey Vincent! Are you going to be doing some modifications and dyno'ing subsequently? A hondata dyno on a stock car would be sweet!

vwong

That's what I'm thinking about.

dzuy

i wonder what i would make on a dynojet.

hmmmmmmm

TinkySD

Stokeless_TSX

I bet if I went to a dynopack I would at the 200 or so mark...curious.

xizor

for the love of god people, please stick to dynojet's when possible. there's many more out there and a whole lot more dyno's available have been done on dynojets.

vwong

I felt the same way before I had my Prelude dyno'd at Church's place back in Jan 05. My friend (who rebuilt my engine) suggested going to Church's place (with the Dynapack) because the results can be repeated within couple of hp every time. Just to prove that this is true, he dyno'd his Civic EX on the same day I had my Prelude dyno'd. The last time his Civic was dyno'd (at Church's place) was well over a year ago, and he hasn't added any new stuffs to his car. Well, the results (between the two dynos which were well over a year apart) were within 1hp. Then I went to Dynapack's website, http://www.dynapackusa.com, and looked up the technical information about this dynamometer. Sorry to say, I have to agree with what they're saying. They said about variables such as different tires, the way to strap the car down, etc. that the Dynojet has that Dynapack doesn't have. Quite frankly, the grippier the tires, the less friction loss there will be between the tires and the roller. The more force there is to strap the car down, the more drag there will be to the roller. So, IMO, I think the Dynapack is better.

xizor

I agree, I can't say either one is technically better, but then again VCR was inferior to betamax, but it was more popular so it won out. Dynapack seems great if you're comparing it against your own dynos, but can't be compared to dynojets which is by far more popular. the best we can do is compare curves I guess.

vwong

Yeah, that was why I wanted to get a baseline before I do anything to the motor.

I had my Prelude (before the rebuild) dyno'd on a Dynojet before, and then again after the rebuild on a Dynapack. I can't really compare the two, but at least I can compare the Prelude's power to the TSX's power now.

TinkySD

The number one most interesting comparison I, and I think most of us would like to see is a stock tsx before and after reflash. You can make our dreams come true vwong!

haha, j/k, but i'm interested to see it for one big reason. Hondata says the tsx flash/vtec lowering an be used with stock airbox/headers while the rsx flash requires a cai. Kurt says he feels some serious gains with just an icebox which is not significantly different from stock.

dzuy

dzuy

:blah:



:troutslap.

you sure talk the talk dude. but can you walk the walk?

get dynoed and stop screwing around hehe.

:troutslap

taewlee

Good info, my car with injen cai and hondata peaks were 196.7hp and 169.0 ft-lbs...

Since we both did the dyno at the same place, it's safer to compare our cars.
The differences are 10.8hps and 10.8 lbs/ft.
So in conclusion, injen cai and hondata together added 10.8 "peak" hps and torque for my car.

Also, your car did 185.9 / 200hps stock = 7.05% loss in drive train according to this type of dyno.Meaning, my car is at around peak 210.6 hps.

While hondata's with the header is at 210 x 1.0705 = peak 224.8hps
Damn, i want a header for those high end gains....

Oh yeah, i also have a dyno graph showing the injen cold air intake actaully beating the $%^# out of both comptech intake and header without hondata.
If anyone wants to host it and compare hondata's tsx with comptech header and intake without hondata vs my car with injen intake without hondata, let me know. I am very happy I went with injen as should most of you in this forum. I cant wait to have an injen cai and header combo.... it'll be the bomb! hopefully peak will reach near 230 - 240ish at the crank.

taewlee

on another interesting note... 192.4hp was my peak with injen cai without hondata. So injen cai did a 6.5 peak hp increase for me. torque was 166.9, so 8.7lbs/feet torque max. Wow! injen gave me more torque than hp lol

vwong

Well, when I was there, Shawn and I had a discussion about the "published" hp for the TSX. Since he has done so many different dyno's, he told me that both the pre-05 RSX-S and TSX are rated at 200hp at the crank. However, a stock RSX-S dyno'd at mid-170hp while the TSX dyno'd at mid-180hp. He believes that our hp is under-rated from the factory.

BTW, he said that the Dynapack is measuring the hp and torque at the hubs, not the flywheel or the crank. IMHO, I like to think that the Dynapack is measuring at the wheels while the Dynojet is measuring the hp and torque that are actually applied to the ground, therefore wheel size and tire choice is in consideration in this case.

Dan Martin

Unfortunately not all engines are equal so that's not really a fair comparison.
It's generally accepted that the TSX is a little underrated from the factory. Typical driveline losses for a MT FWD car are around 15%

TinkySD

Good info vwong. On dyno jets tsx usually dyno 2-4 hp higher than 01-04 rsxs, all the while with much heavier/larger wheel and tire packages. By eliminated that is a variable and locking it to a hub I think you can see the effects pretty well.

Tawelee I would lvoe to see that dyno and i can host it. Send it to me jeffc31337@yahoo.com

Stokeless_TSX

Been dynoed its just so old its not posted anymore. And from that dyno I still have more power than anyone here. And it was on a dynojet not pack so thats what I was saying. On a Pack I should be higher than what i had on the jet. Get it.

dzuy

it's posted on his hondata review thread.

taewlee

email sent, please host my picture if you can, im using photobucket and that thing makes the images smaller like the last dyno i posted. Anyways, if you look at the dyno, the solid blue and purple lines are my car.
The dotted green and blue lines are hondatas.

Solid blue is my car with only injen cai
Dotted blue is hondata's

As you can see, they beat each other at different rpms.... injen cai and comptech stuff definetely have their own torque curve characteristics... however, if you compare the area under the cover which I consider more important than the peak, you can see that the injen cai alone gives more torque at around 1 - 2rpm, 3.5 - 5 rpm, and 6.5 - 7.2 rpm. Injen is the bomb!!!! Hondata likes inejn as well and hondata has requested an intake system from injen for their tsx.

dzuy

didnt taewlee make more power than you w/ his hondata on a dynojet?

i wonder how i would do on a dynojet.

taewlee

naw, only one of the dynos were posted on my thread, we did several runs to test injen, no one but hondata and I have seen them all so far.